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Shlomo's avatar

I loved the podcast. I also wanted to point out that chareidim pay school taxes just like the rest of the population but do not send their kids to public schools. Only a tiny portion trickles back into their school system.

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BAL's avatar

Hi! Thank you for the very engaging podcast. Your guest made many good points about the enriching nature of the Haredi/Hasidic communities. Certainly emphasizing the problematic history of the NYT in reference to covering many aspects of the Jewish world is worth highlighting.

However... I fundamentally believe all schools - private, public, secular, religious - need to have certain expectations in reference to teaching a wide range of fundamental subjects: English, Math, Science, History, etc... Will many students not meet these standards? Of course. Will some schools and teachers be less then adequate? Yes. Will some of the standards be set by imperfect bureaucrats? Indeed. Nonetheless, students are in school to learn a baseline of information to enable them to function in society.

Using an example of other inner city communities where children are not reaching standards set for them does not in my opinion remove this very problematic situation in the Haredi/Hasidic schools. Perhaps if Yehoshua would have compared the performance of the private religious schools to the achievement of schools in middle and upper income school districts it would have been far more disconcerting for you and the listeners.

There was a very recent study in Israel that showcased that many of the lowest performing schools were in Haredi (and Bedouin) communities. The poorest cities in Israel are often also Haredi communities. As these communities continue to grow, an existential question has to be addressed: Can Israel survive - as it is surrounded by several hostile nations - if it becomes a heavily poor and (secular) uneducated country? It is compounded by the fact of low military service stemming from the same community. It is one thing when the Haredim were a small percentage of Israel. But, as it continues to grow in real and proportional numbers, these are real questions that need to be addressed head on.

Thank you for the always interesting, funny and enjoyable podcast.

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